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Registrovaný: 08.06.08 Prihlásený: 20.09.08 Príspevky: 18 Témy: 1 | 1 |
Idem na VUT FIT (fakulta informacnych technologii) do Brna a rozmyslam ake parametre by sa mi hodili. (vraj sa robi kopa projektov)
Ma niekto skusenosti?
cena: max 25000, ale lepsie by bolo cosi okolo 20000
display: v tomto mam trochu bordel ale widescreen nechcem
urcenie: na intrak, praca do skoly, do vlaku, hry nehram
vykon: velmi nezalezi, momentalne pouzivam asi 6-8 rocnu masinku a nestazujem sa
OS: bez OS alebo linux
ostatne: DVD vypalovacka
_________________ "Religion has convinced people that there’s an invisible man…living in the sky, who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten specific things he doesn’t want you to do. And if you do any of these things, he will send you to a special place, of burning and fire and smoke and torture and anguish for you to live forever, and suffer and burn and scream until the end of time. But he loves you. He loves you and he needs money." -- George Carlin, R.I.P. |
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Registrovaný: 13.10.06 Príspevky: 11345 Témy: 135 | 135 Bydlisko: Bratislava |
Ja by som vsádzal na AMD puma, ale za 25000 sa dá kúpiť slušný NB aj na inteláckej platforme, ak to nechceš na hry. Výhoda AMD pumy bude hlavne nízka spotreba pri idle a akcelerácia HD videa grafikou.
No WideScreen? Tak to neviem... dnes sa fakt drvivá väčšina NB robí Wide 15,4" obrazovky.
Ak chceš mať mobilný a ľahký NB ber niečo s menším displejom, napríklad 13.3" alebo 14".
Z terajšieho výberu:
Menší NB:
15000sk 14" displej
http://www.alza.sk/SK/asus-x80le-4p083- ... d93033.htm
20000sk 14" displej
http://www.alza.sk/SK/notebook-asus-a8e ... d90366.htm
Normálne NB:
21000 15,4" displej
http://www.alza.sk/SK/asus-f3e-ap302-c2 ... d92826.htm
Tie menšie sú zamerané na mobilitu, ale nemajú zlé parametre, jediná nevýhoda, ktorá teba asi neovplyvní - integrovaná grafika
Ten normálny NB - vynikajúci procesor, väčší harddisk, 2GB pamäte, grafická karta zase integrovaná.
Byť tebou, počkám ešte chvílu na AMD Puma, myslím, že by to mohli byť vydarené notebooky.
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Registrovaný: 08.06.08 Prihlásený: 20.09.08 Príspevky: 18 Témy: 1 | 1 |
Co sa tyka toho displaja tak musim ist niekedy do kamenneho obchodu a porovnat.
Skor uprednostnujem 15,4'', ale este sa pozrem ci by sa tie 14'' dali prezit (vid predchadzajucu vetu).
Neviem ci budem moct cakat na pumu, chcem ist niekde na brigadu a teda si kupit nb uz predom. Ale to tiez este nie je iste.
_________________ "Religion has convinced people that there’s an invisible man…living in the sky, who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten specific things he doesn’t want you to do. And if you do any of these things, he will send you to a special place, of burning and fire and smoke and torture and anguish for you to live forever, and suffer and burn and scream until the end of time. But he loves you. He loves you and he needs money." -- George Carlin, R.I.P. |
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Registrovaný: 08.06.08 Prihlásený: 20.09.08 Príspevky: 18 Témy: 1 | 1 |
Cize upresnim.
displej 15,4", WXGA
Na vykone velmi nezalezi, hlavne nech je pevna konstrukcia.
No a bolo by fajn keby bateria vydrzala aspon 3 hodiny...
_________________ "Religion has convinced people that there’s an invisible man…living in the sky, who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten specific things he doesn’t want you to do. And if you do any of these things, he will send you to a special place, of burning and fire and smoke and torture and anguish for you to live forever, and suffer and burn and scream until the end of time. But he loves you. He loves you and he needs money." -- George Carlin, R.I.P. |
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Registrovaný: 16.05.05 Príspevky: 5075 Témy: 105 | 105 Bydlisko: Trenčín, SR | |
Registrovaný: 08.06.08 Prihlásený: 20.09.08 Príspevky: 18 Témy: 1 | 1 |
no hladam nieco bez OS/ s Linuxom...(za windows odmietam platit uz z principu)
Btw. v podpise pises ze mas WSXGA+ a 15,4"...to akoze na tom aj nieco precitas?
_________________ "Religion has convinced people that there’s an invisible man…living in the sky, who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten specific things he doesn’t want you to do. And if you do any of these things, he will send you to a special place, of burning and fire and smoke and torture and anguish for you to live forever, and suffer and burn and scream until the end of time. But he loves you. He loves you and he needs money." -- George Carlin, R.I.P. |
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Registrovaný: 16.05.05 Príspevky: 5075 Témy: 105 | 105 Bydlisko: Trenčín, SR |
No bez OS toho moc nenavyberáš...našiel som napríklad tento MSI
http://www.alza.sk/SK/msi-gx610px-057cz-d94454.htm
ale tam by sa dalo polemizovať o tom či je to pevný NB alebo nie...radšej by som si byť tebou priplatil za ten Windows už z princípu a mal kvalitný notebook a nie sa v duchu radovať že ako si vyj*bal s Billom ale keď sa pozrieš na NB tak začať plakať že čo si si to kúpil za črep
A čo sa týka môjho displeja, tak hej, prečítam a by si sa čudoval že kolko povedzme také dve A4 vedla seba v 100% velkosti
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"My new computer came with Windows 7. Windows 7 is much more user-friendly than Windows Vista. I don't like that."
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Registrovaný: 08.06.08 Prihlásený: 20.09.08 Príspevky: 18 Témy: 1 | 1 |
Nevie niekto nieco o tom ze sa da kupit nb s windowsom, nesuhlasit so zmluvou (tykajucej sa winu) a oni ti vratia peniaze za win? Neviem ci je to len rozpravka...
_________________ "Religion has convinced people that there’s an invisible man…living in the sky, who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten specific things he doesn’t want you to do. And if you do any of these things, he will send you to a special place, of burning and fire and smoke and torture and anguish for you to live forever, and suffer and burn and scream until the end of time. But he loves you. He loves you and he needs money." -- George Carlin, R.I.P. |
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Registrovaný: 16.05.05 Príspevky: 5075 Témy: 105 | 105 Bydlisko: Trenčín, SR |
Takýto prípad sa stal niekde v USA myslím, ale aj keď je to logicky správne, tak pochybujem že ti to predajca vezme späť. Ono ide totiž aj o to, že predajca nemôže zasahovať do konfigurácie toho NB, takže keby si aj prišiel do obchodu s tým že chceš ten a ten notebook, ale nesúhlasíš s EULA Microsoftu, tak predajca ti povie maximálne to, že predsa ešte pred nabehnutím a doinštalovaním samotného Winu, môžeš dať do mechaniky CD/DVD s nejakou distro linuxu, sformátovať HDD a používať linux. Ale peniaze ti nevráti, pretože ty si si defakto ten Windows kúpil s tým notebookom, máš aj reinštalačné DVD, to je ako keby si nemal rád kôrku chleba a v pekárni by si chcel aby ti ju orezali a zarátali ti len ten stred...jo a keď sme pri tom, tak na FITke budeš skôr či neskôr ten Win aj tak potrebovať (niečo totiž rozbehať pod linuxom skutočne nejde)
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"My new computer came with Windows 7. Windows 7 is much more user-friendly than Windows Vista. I don't like that."
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Registrovaný: 08.06.08 Prihlásený: 20.09.08 Príspevky: 18 Témy: 1 | 1 |
tak to rozbehnem napr. v studovni alebo u spolubyvajucej...mam v prdeli, nedam M$ ani halier. To radsej priplatim a kupim nieco od applu. Alebo aj ten smejd.
EDIT: ma tak napadlo, nie je mozne tu licenciu niekomu predat? (ak hej, ma tu niekto zaujem?:) )
EDIT2: ScorpionSX, ake je osvetlenie na VUT? nerobi to z NB zrkadlo?
_________________ "Religion has convinced people that there’s an invisible man…living in the sky, who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten specific things he doesn’t want you to do. And if you do any of these things, he will send you to a special place, of burning and fire and smoke and torture and anguish for you to live forever, and suffer and burn and scream until the end of time. But he loves you. He loves you and he needs money." -- George Carlin, R.I.P. |
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Registrovaný: 16.05.05 Príspevky: 5075 Témy: 105 | 105 Bydlisko: Trenčín, SR |
No nechápem moc tento anti-MS postoj, ale no dobre, čo už s tebou...ja teda tiež nie som zrovna zástanca plateného SW, väčšinu sa snažím mať free, ale keď je nadupaný notebook za dobrú cenu kde skutočne musí cena za OS byť minimálna, prakticky ho k tomu musia dávať zadarmo inak by predávali pod cenu tie komponenty, tak prečo to nezobrať?? Fakt, ako šak nikto ťa nenúti Win používať, daj si tam kludne aj OSX...čo sa týka tej licencie, tak predať to samozrejme môžeš, ale až po tom ako si kúpiš ten NB, teda kúpiš, zaplatíš, vyberieš odtial disk s Windows a niekomu ho predáš. Ten si ho nechá preaktivovať na svoj PC a hotovo. Ale neviem ako je to pokial je ten Win viazaný pre nejakú značku...ja by som napríklad môj Windows z origo disku nenainštaloval na iný NB ako je môj. Teda resp. neaktivoval by sa a neviem či by to šlo prehodiť na iný stroj...keď je ale k NB Windows len taký obyčajný OEM ako keď si ho kúpiš normálne v obchode, tak potom s tým problém neni, na infolinke MS sa to dá obkecať.
No a čo sa týka toho osvetlenia, no tak samozrejme keď máš úplne čierne pozadie, tak je tam nejaký odlesk vidieť, ale keď by som prezeral povedzme toto fórum (aj s tmavým skinom) tak neni problém, je to viac menej ako doma...
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"My new computer came with Windows 7. Windows 7 is much more user-friendly than Windows Vista. I don't like that."
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Registrovaný: 08.06.08 Prihlásený: 20.09.08 Príspevky: 18 Témy: 1 | 1 |
http://acostrava.ekatalog.biz/zbozi.asp ... =10&vyr=63
alebo
http://mobilpc.ekatalog.biz/zbozi.aspx? ... =10&vyr=63
na mobilpc mi to pride tak odhadom o trosku drahsie...ale to musim este preratat
da sa tam nakonfigurovat aby tam bol DOS! juhu!
ma niekto skusennosti s tymito obchodmi(a s touto sluzbou?)
a vedel by mi niekto s prehladom o cenach komponentov povedat o kolko su tie NB predrazene?
+ kolko asi vydrzi taka bateria 6 Cell 47Whr 6720s (nic mi to nehovori)
+ vidi tam niekto aka tam je graficka? (kvoli ovladacom)
+ co su to do <> za skratky pri HP Care Pack Services? (dnes uz mam dost, mozno to rano rozlustim)
_________________ "Religion has convinced people that there’s an invisible man…living in the sky, who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten specific things he doesn’t want you to do. And if you do any of these things, he will send you to a special place, of burning and fire and smoke and torture and anguish for you to live forever, and suffer and burn and scream until the end of time. But he loves you. He loves you and he needs money." -- George Carlin, R.I.P. |
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Registrovaný: 16.05.05 Príspevky: 5075 Témy: 105 | 105 Bydlisko: Trenčín, SR |
A čo tak notebook od Zero?? Ten sa dá nakonfigurovať úplne podla tvojich predstáv a takisto aj bez OS a za dobrú cenu. Kvalitou je to na celkom slušnej úrovni, napríklad takáto zostava:
Alebo tu je ten základ z ktorého sa vychádza:
http://www.zeroshop.sk/?ref=JGNtZD0nY29 ... ExMTY1Mjk7
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"My new computer came with Windows 7. Windows 7 is much more user-friendly than Windows Vista. I don't like that."
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Registrovaný: 08.06.08 Prihlásený: 20.09.08 Príspevky: 18 Témy: 1 | 1 |
a nie je zero iba taka garazova firma co kupi komponenty od dellu, posklada a da tam svoju nalepku?
_________________ "Religion has convinced people that there’s an invisible man…living in the sky, who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten specific things he doesn’t want you to do. And if you do any of these things, he will send you to a special place, of burning and fire and smoke and torture and anguish for you to live forever, and suffer and burn and scream until the end of time. But he loves you. He loves you and he needs money." -- George Carlin, R.I.P. |
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Registrovaný: 15.06.05 Prihlásený: 28.11.19 Príspevky: 8033 Témy: 115 | 115 Bydlisko: Košice Bydl... |
no pravdepodobne Inak ta Akcia: Coca Cola Zero k zostave ma dostala
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Registrovaný: 08.06.08 Prihlásený: 20.09.08 Príspevky: 18 Témy: 1 | 1 |
saponat na cistenie aspon keby toho bola bednicka tak nepoviem
inac rozmyslam ci nekupim cosi od dellu, maju ich par bez winu
http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segt ... ~ck=anavml
_________________ "Religion has convinced people that there’s an invisible man…living in the sky, who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten specific things he doesn’t want you to do. And if you do any of these things, he will send you to a special place, of burning and fire and smoke and torture and anguish for you to live forever, and suffer and burn and scream until the end of time. But he loves you. He loves you and he needs money." -- George Carlin, R.I.P. |
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Registrovaný: 16.05.05 Príspevky: 5075 Témy: 105 | 105 Bydlisko: Trenčín, SR |
No Zero to od Dellu nenakupuje, prakticky nemá ani čo od nich kupovať, pokial sa jedná o ich vlastné notebooky. Dellácke samozrejme z Dellu kupuje
A s tým linuxom a Dellom, no nechcem ťa od toho odrádzať, ale neviem neviem či je toto možné kúpiť aj na SVK Ale ak by to šlo, tak potom kludne, taký Inspiron 1525N by nebol zlý a do tej ceny by sa to snáď vliezlo.
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"My new computer came with Windows 7. Windows 7 is much more user-friendly than Windows Vista. I don't like that."
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Registrovaný: 08.06.08 Prihlásený: 20.09.08 Príspevky: 18 Témy: 1 | 1 |
chjo, asi sa vzdavam...dost sa mi lubi HP compaq 6710
http://www.alza.sk/hp-compaq-6710b-d80218.htm
ale je s vistou:(
na mobilpc ho sice maju a da sa nastavit aby tam bol dos, ale je o par tisicok drahsi
_________________ "Religion has convinced people that there’s an invisible man…living in the sky, who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten specific things he doesn’t want you to do. And if you do any of these things, he will send you to a special place, of burning and fire and smoke and torture and anguish for you to live forever, and suffer and burn and scream until the end of time. But he loves you. He loves you and he needs money." -- George Carlin, R.I.P. |
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Registrovaný: 26.05.08 Prihlásený: 10.07.08 Príspevky: 45 Témy: 3 | 3 | |
Registrovaný: 08.06.08 Prihlásený: 20.09.08 Príspevky: 18 Témy: 1 | 1 |
no aspon z pocutia sa mi zda ze asus a fs su slusne shity...nepotrebujem sice vykon, ale ten nb sa bude furt niekam nosit (do skoly,domov,do parku,...) a budem ho pouzivat kazdy den, takze vyzadujem nejaku odolnost (tu vahu uz nejako prezijem). Nakoniec mi zostal na vyber dell, hp a lenovo(prosim ziadny flame).
inac nakoniec asi vezmem hp 6715b
_________________ "Religion has convinced people that there’s an invisible man…living in the sky, who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten specific things he doesn’t want you to do. And if you do any of these things, he will send you to a special place, of burning and fire and smoke and torture and anguish for you to live forever, and suffer and burn and scream until the end of time. But he loves you. He loves you and he needs money." -- George Carlin, R.I.P. |
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Registrovaný: 15.06.05 Prihlásený: 28.11.19 Príspevky: 8033 Témy: 115 | 115 Bydlisko: Košice Bydl... |
tych 13" nevadi, ma rovnake rozlisenie ako standardny 15.4", cize WXGA
Naposledy upravil Spirit dňa 01.07.2008 18:17, celkovo upravené 1
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Registrovaný: 26.05.08 Prihlásený: 10.07.08 Príspevky: 45 Témy: 3 | 3 |
asus a FS su shity ale som myslel ze ako studentovi ti budu stacit, koniec koncov zle zaobchadzanie neprospieva ziadnemu notebooku. Prenasanie im nevadi, praca v parku tiez nie, vo vlaku tiez nie. Skor im vadi hadzanie, velmi znecistene prostredie, kecup a podobne veci. Za 24 000 Sk mas dva asusy takze ak sa ti ten prvy pokazi po roku tak si mozes kupit druhy a si na tom lepsie ako ked kupis jedno HP za 24 000 Sk. Dnes sa neoplati kupovat notebook na viac rokov. Traba ho kupit, poriadne znicit a zahodit ako stare ponozky. Ja som tiez studoval a prenasal notebook HP nx8220 co je nieco podobne ako chces teraz ty, takze ti ho odporucam maju skvele vyhotovenie a klasicky dizajn.
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Registrovaný: 08.06.08 Prihlásený: 20.09.08 Príspevky: 18 Témy: 1 | 1 |
problem je ten, ze som este 13" nevidela na vlastne oci a neviem porovnat...v brne som pozerala 3 obchody a iba v jednom mali par nb vystavenych, ale vsetko to boli iba 15,4" a 17", vypnute...bez porovnania to nekupim...predsa sa nan budem cumiet 24/7...
striedat ako ponozky sa mi to moc nechce, dokupim si 3rocnu zaruku a ked sa pokazy tak sa hadam vymeni...
momentalne sa mi viac oplati kupovat takto za 25000, je dost mozne ze zachvilu na tom s peniazmi nebudem moc dobre(nejdem dalej rozoberat)
_________________ "Religion has convinced people that there’s an invisible man…living in the sky, who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten specific things he doesn’t want you to do. And if you do any of these things, he will send you to a special place, of burning and fire and smoke and torture and anguish for you to live forever, and suffer and burn and scream until the end of time. But he loves you. He loves you and he needs money." -- George Carlin, R.I.P. |
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Registrovaný: 02.09.06 Prihlásený: 30.11.10 Príspevky: 255 Témy: 9 | 9 Bydlisko: Sliač |
ja mam par tyzdnov tento http://www.alza.sk/ibm-lenovo-thinkpad-r61-d87025.htm a som s nim uplne spokojny, ked som urobil nejake kompromisy pri vybere
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Registrovaný: 08.06.08 Prihlásený: 20.09.08 Príspevky: 18 Témy: 1 | 1 |
ten je super, viem, ale trosku mimo moj rozsah. Dufala som ze este niekde najdem obchod kde predavaju T60, ale bohuzial je uz vsetko fuc...z bazaru som nechcela...
zajtra si idem po hp 6715 juhu
_________________ "Religion has convinced people that there’s an invisible man…living in the sky, who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten specific things he doesn’t want you to do. And if you do any of these things, he will send you to a special place, of burning and fire and smoke and torture and anguish for you to live forever, and suffer and burn and scream until the end of time. But he loves you. He loves you and he needs money." -- George Carlin, R.I.P. |
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Registrovaný: 08.11.06 Prihlásený: 06.12.10 Príspevky: 15721 Témy: 7 | 7 Bydlisko: Bratislava |
ak sa jedna o 6715b spracovanim budes poskojna, ak si brala konkretne model KE067EA tak aj vybavou(vykonom), skvely displej
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Registrovaný: 08.06.08 Prihlásený: 20.09.08 Príspevky: 18 Témy: 1 | 1 |
HP 6715b KE065EA, viem ze KE067EA je o nieco lepsi ale o ten vykon mi vobec nejde a by bol potom problem s rozpoctom. Dufam ze nebudem lutovat.
_________________ "Religion has convinced people that there’s an invisible man…living in the sky, who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten specific things he doesn’t want you to do. And if you do any of these things, he will send you to a special place, of burning and fire and smoke and torture and anguish for you to live forever, and suffer and burn and scream until the end of time. But he loves you. He loves you and he needs money." -- George Carlin, R.I.P. |
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